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It was another set up chapter for all the fights. Not much happened and i hope Opie is
defeated before Ichigo comes back to SS.


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I hope the next chapter gets alittle more accomplished next week, or at least shows Ichigo's fight. Oh, and damn to Shinsui, that looked like it hurt.

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Super Shanko wrote:
I hope the next chapter gets alittle more accomplished next week, or at least shows Ichigo's fight. Oh, and damn to Shinsui, that looked like it hurt.


Yeah, to get hit in the eye and the forehead like that... Shunsui is pretty badass, and ready to unleash his fury.



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The Vizards will probably make a big difference, if they use their masks and Shikai or either just the masks and Zanpakutou I doubt their opponents will bother stealing anything lower than a Bankai, plus the Vizards have all their Hollow abilities like Cero aswell.

Chapters are coming too slow and short for me tbh.


I don't know if the masks will make a huge difference, given that at the center they're still Shinigami, but you never know. I think at the very least, Cero and Shinji's sword ability could help quite a bit though.

I know what you mean and agree - You sort of want to keep knowing what happens and the chapters are over before you know it. I'm feeling that way lately when it comes to Legend of Korra, the episodes just can't come out fast enough.


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Super Shanko wrote:
I hope the next chapter gets alittle more accomplished next week, or at least shows Ichigo's fight. Oh, and damn to Shinsui, that looked like it hurt.

Yeah, ouch :surprise:
Now is not the time for him to be taking it easy.

I could be wrong but from the looks of it, the Vandenreich's bankai-stealing doodad appears to take away their zanpaktou's spirit entirely, noted by the fact that Toshiro tried to ask Hyorinmaru what was up, but found he could no longer talk to him.

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And did Mayuri's Zanpakutō look different? It looks like Yama's cane, but more like a bee hive, and the title "Kill the Shadow" seems to hint that it might be related to Shinsui, which might be why Ukitake is fearful of him using his Bankai.

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Kalik2k wrote:
Kenpachi has been revealed as the strongest in Bleach so far [...]


Let's not jump to conclusions yet simply based on some little information we've got. We don't know the facts yet. Even if Kenpachi can match the reiatsu of whoever he's fighting, I find it hard to believe he could be as strong as Yamamoto, Hougyoku-Aizen or Final-Getsuga-Tenshou-Ichigo.


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I wouldn't say strongest, but the way TK thrust Zaraki's power from savagely fighting Nnoitra to (seriously) goofing around with Yammy (who took masked-Ichi's GT in the face like nothing), it'd be no surprise to me for TK to now have Zaraki above Ichigo's current power just like then.

The only difference now being that with the Captains essentially being weakened by not having access to their full power (i.e Bankai) and him never needing one to begin with does give him a strength advantage in comparison that'd put him above.

And for that device that steals Bankai, given the minor details about it, could it be based off the users power? Like when that first guy used it, he was simply weaker than Ichigo, while the Quincy folk that used it are obviously Captain level fighters so there could be possibility he could have his stolen too.

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I wouldn't say strongest, but the way TK thrust Zaraki's power from savagely fighting Nnoitra to (seriously) goofing around with Yammy (who took masked-Ichi's GT in the face like nothing), it'd be no surprise to me for TK to now have Zaraki above Ichigo's current power just like then.

The only difference now being that with the Captains essentially being weakened by not having access to their full power (i.e Bankai) and him never needing one to begin with does give him a strength advantage in comparison that'd put him above.

And for that device that steals Bankai, given the minor details about it, could it be based off the users power? Like when that first guy used it, he was simply weaker than Ichigo, while the Quincy folk that used it are obviously Captain level fighters so there could be possibility he could have his stolen too.


I would say strongest but that's a differ in opinion. Nnoitra's battle style was more suited to Kenny so it looked more serious unlike the Yammi fight. If you've got Yammi's reiatsu and Kenny's speed it's going to look like a muck about, plus it did say Ichigo's Hollowfication wasn't complete because he was afraid. There's no doubt in my mind that Kenpachi could hold his own against any opponent, Obviously he couldn't kill a Butterfly-Aizen but his reiatsu would still match and be able to fight him.

I don't think it's based off the users power, I just think it has a limit to how much power it can take. For instance Unohana said she only sensed 2nd, 6th and 7th squads Bankai's had gone, now Toushiro has mastered his Bankai and with his reiatsu it should be difficult absorbing/taking that much power without having some sort of consequences. I think the token acts as like a Seele Schneider, a weapon that can be used as an arrow aswell but saves the Quincy overexposing themselves to too much reishi/reiatsu like Ishida did in the Soul Society Invasion arc.

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So, Kisuke gets some attention now. Not only does he blast that Quincy Capt. (don't wanna remember that freak's name), but opened a gateway for Ichigo to use ASAP. Good luck to Carrot-top. He's gonna need it. I do wonder though, how come his Bankai can't be taken? Sure, it's a good thing now, but it sorta intrigues me.

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So, Kisuke gets some attention now. Not only does he blast that Quincy Capt. (don't wanna remember that freak's name), but opened a gateway for Ichigo to use ASAP. Good luck to Carrot-top. He's gonna need it. I do wonder though, how come his Bankai can't be taken? Sure, it's a good thing now, but it sorta intrigues me.


Could be one of many things why his Bankai can't be sealed immediately. I did notice TK made a booboo drawing Ichigo's Bankai Shihakushou by missing out it's black X's down the middle from when Ivan attempted sealing it or that could be Ichigo's Bankai is slowly being sealed bit by bit, same with Hitsugaya, he said his Bankai was stolen but Unohana says otherwise.

I get the feeling it's all dependant on the persons Reiryokou like Hyourinmaru and Tensa Zangetzu have too much power to be sealed up entirely in one go. One thing that could be preventing Ichigo's sealing could be the Fullbring/Zanpakutou merger, Fullbring proved effective against Uryu when he was attacked by Ginjo plus he couldn't really comprehend it for someone so smart - maybe a Quincy weakness?

Another long week until the next chapter...

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I see it. It's similar to him mentioning to Unohana restored his power and it went from tattered and torn to clean and pressed. If that's the case, then there might be a chance some of the captains can still use their bankai.

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Kalik2k wrote:
I get the feeling it's all dependant on the persons Reiryokou like Hyourinmaru and Tensa Zangetzu have too much power to be sealed up entirely in one go. One thing that could be preventing Ichigo's sealing could be the Fullbring/Zanpakutou merger, Fullbring proved effective against Uryu when he was attacked by Ginjo plus he couldn't really comprehend it for someone so smart - maybe a Quincy weakness?

Another long week until the next chapter...

I was thinking it was something along those lines as well. That the reason they aren't able to take away Ichigo's bankai is because it is merged with his fullbring. It's possible the seal only works on zanpaktou powers, and not hollow-based ones, meaning that arrancar or vizards would probably be more ideal for fighting the quincy at the moment, until they find a way to get around those medals.
It feels nice to actually look forward to the next chapter for once. :cool:

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I think what Unohana said was a mistranslation, and she meant Hitsugaya's powers were affected in addition to the others.


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I was thinking it was something along those lines as well. That the reason they aren't able to take away Ichigo's bankai is because it is merged with his fullbring. It's possible the seal only works on zanpaktou powers, and not hollow-based ones, meaning that arrancar or vizards would probably be more ideal for fighting the quincy at the moment, until they find a way to get around those medals.
It feels nice to actually look forward to the next chapter for once. :cool:


It's definitely possible that the Fullbring is the reason his Bankai can't be stolen. Ginjou did catch Uryu off guard, and so these Quincy might not know about Fullbring and how it works.

But in this week's chapter, the Quincy Captain mentioned that he sealed "that monster", so I had to wonder if he meant Ichigo's hollow side? Not sure on that.


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