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Continued from - viewtopic.php?f=51&t=40067&start=13joseole99 wrote: kathy025 wrote: As much as I love full BD/DVD encodes, I think the hate for minis has always been illogical. For one, people tend to forget it's not meant for quality, it's meant for quantity. nobody that downloads it thinks it's for quantity. if i counted up how many posts said 'look at that is awesome quality' or 'mini HD is as good as normal HD' or 'mini HQ is so awesome' or 'this is as good as the regular encode'; it would total to half this forums posts. the hate for the miniSHIT comes from people that can't pull their head out of their ass for five minutes to realize that the rips are not quality yet they still say the are great quality. anything that is 'mini' should not be labeled by the encoder as HQ, HD, etc. cause fact is; low quality encodes are far from 'high quality' or 'high definition'. just cause the resolution is 1080p or 720p, does not entitle it to be called HD. kathy025 wrote: Minis are for those without the luxury of hard disk space or hi-speed internet. It would be unintelligent to bash minis for "lack of quality" because that's not the purpose they're aiming for. you are right, this is why people encode miniSHIT but this is not why most people download it. once again, the people that download miniSHIT don't realize there is a difference in quality. maybe 10% actual download it due to bandwidth limits. EDIT: no offense to you kathy025, as we all have varying opinions. i'm just a strong believer that mini should not be called HQ, HD or etc. I see. When people get awed by the quality of the minis, they most probably meant it in consideration of the filesize. They're very quick to download and you get decent/passable watching experience for a mere 100MB or less, that's definitely the most charming point of the minis. They're perfect for the casual/light watchers who just want to enjoy anime as they come and go, not that there's anything wrong with that. I observed it's actually the full encoders who mainly detest the minis and that's understandable. The "HD" in "miniHD" is meant to denote the 720p/1080p resolution as there are varying names like "m720p/m1080p". To full encoders though, "HD" has a very exclusive and specific use. I guess this is where the dislike for minis is coming from. Encodes must conform to certain specs before a certain file can be called HD for the full encoders. Please forgive the people who get overwhelmed by the minis when they say "great quality", they mean no offense. Perhaps just really happy there's something to watch anime with given their economic constraints or other reasons. I love both full encodes and minis for the purpose they serve. No problem at all joseole99.
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kathy025 wrote: Continued from - viewtopic.php?f=51&t=40067&start=13joseole99 wrote: kathy025 wrote: As much as I love full BD/DVD encodes, I think the hate for minis has always been illogical. For one, people tend to forget it's not meant for quality, it's meant for quantity. nobody that downloads it thinks it's for quantity. if i counted up how many posts said 'look at that is awesome quality' or 'mini HD is as good as normal HD' or 'mini HQ is so awesome' or 'this is as good as the regular encode'; it would total to half this forums posts. the hate for the miniSHIT comes from people that can't pull their head out of their ass for five minutes to realize that the rips are not quality yet they still say the are great quality. anything that is 'mini' should not be labeled by the encoder as HQ, HD, etc. cause fact is; low quality encodes are far from 'high quality' or 'high definition'. just cause the resolution is 1080p or 720p, does not entitle it to be called HD. kathy025 wrote: Minis are for those without the luxury of hard disk space or hi-speed internet. It would be unintelligent to bash minis for "lack of quality" because that's not the purpose they're aiming for. you are right, this is why people encode miniSHIT but this is not why most people download it. once again, the people that download miniSHIT don't realize there is a difference in quality. maybe 10% actual download it due to bandwidth limits. EDIT: no offense to you kathy025, as we all have varying opinions. i'm just a strong believer that mini should not be called HQ, HD or etc. I see. When people get awed by the quality of the minis, they most probably meant it in consideration of the filesize. They're very quick to download and you get decent/passable watching experience for a mere 100MB or less, that's definitely the most charming point of the minis. They're perfect for the casual/light watchers who just want to enjoy anime as they come and go, not that there's anything wrong with that. I observed it's actually the full encoders who mainly detest the minis and that's understandable. The "HD" in "miniHD" is meant to denote the 720p/1080p resolution as there are varying names like "m720p/m1080p". To full encoders though, "HD" has a very exclusive and specific use. I guess this is where the dislike for minis is coming from. Encodes must conform to certain specs before a certain file can be called HD for the full encoders. Please forgive the people who get overwhelmed by the minis when they say "great quality", they mean no offense. Perhaps just really happy there's something to watch anime with given their economic constraints or other reasons. I love both full encodes and minis for the purpose they serve. No problem at all joseole99. That is definitely true about when someone says quality is great for minis, they are considering the file size as well. For a small size encode with a HD resolution and a more than watchable quality, it is only reasonable to say it is great quality. For me miniHD are great for sharing to friends. ragnawind wrote: There is another thing that should be noted. There are HD video cameras that record in HD, but their quality isn't really that great. With my experience with those recorded from these specific HD Video Cameras and "miniHD" files, they are about the same. Just because something is recorded in HD does not mean it will be High Quality. HD refers ONLY to the RESOLUTION, not the actual quality, so I am fine with them being called "miniHD".
I personally don't mind the quality of any video, as long as it is watchable. Lately, I mostly do mini files with the occasional normal size, due to my ISP now having a bandwidth cap. I am also fine with plain SD over HD, since I don't demand quality for something that is obtained for free in the first place. For me, it is only a "try before you buy", anyway. Every time I watch something, if I like it enough, I add it to a "To Buy List" that I have on my computer and a couple backups on external devices. Yes ragnawind is correct about that, HD just means resolution. You see TVs on sell and they put 720p HD or 1080p HD.
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Except your wrong about the part where you say the mini-downloaders only think the quality is good for the size. I've seen countless people claim they cannot tell a difference between the mini's and the normal.. or even say the mini's where even higher quality. This is false and they need to get their eyes checked. There may be a few who compare it by size to quality but the fast majority don't. The vast majority actually believe there is absolutely no quality loss.
If you're going to do mini-encodes you should at least reduce the resolution. These miniHD episodes as they're called look like eye cancer to me.
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Koby wrote: Except your wrong about the part where you say the mini-downloaders only think the quality is good for the size. I've seen countless people claim they cannot tell a difference between the mini's and the normal.. or even say the mini's where even higher quality. This is false and they need to get their eyes checked. There may be a few who compare it by size to quality but the fast majority don't. The vast majority actually believe there is absolutely no quality loss.
If you're going to do mini-encodes you should at least reduce the resolution. These miniHD episodes as they're called look like eye cancer to me. Then you're correct they are stupid, you obviously would lose quality if you downgrade bitrate. All I'm just saying is, it is reasonable to say it looks great considering it's HD and small size. And I LMAO at the people who think miniHD are better than the original, what a load of bullsh*t that is.
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I have to agree with you guys on this one, yes mini's look ok but if you were to compare it to the original higher quality one you eyes would be raped with awesomeness. I recently downloaded the second season of Queens Blade and compared the 1090p version I downloaded with the mini version and there is no caparison. If you watched the mini the first time you would notice that it's actually good, but the moment you bring on the higher quality one you are just pwned with the beautiful visuals.
I got nothing against those who call mini better that the originals after all these stuff is pirated anyways and if they want to think that minis are in HD let them, to each is his own right. Even if they are wrong which they are.
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lol I tested this Idea Out on 2 People here at Home That Have never Seen MiniHD's or for that Matter MiniMKV's and I asked them What they Thought about the Video With out even telling Them What Kind of Video they Were at First. and They Said What is Wrong with the Picture it is Fuzzy or Kind of Snowy like Blurry. Mini is ok if your not Planing on Making them into DVDs I tried and they Look Terrible. I get Some that Tell Me to Reduce the Size of my Bleach Dubs Which are in .avi and at 349MB's I tell them No. Just Because I get a Better Video if I keep using 2000 Bit Rate. and Refuse to Use H264 Because I hate Waiting Forever Just to Encode a Single Episode. I might use H264 Down the Road on Other Stuff But not on TV Rip's It is Pointless to Do IMO. I am into Quality Only Kind of Person lol
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FullMetalRaven wrote: lol I tested this Idea Out on 2 People here at Home That Have never Seen MiniHD's or for that Matter MiniMKV's and I asked them What they Thought about the Video With out even telling Them What Kind of Video they Were at First. and They Said What is Wrong with the Picture it is Fuzzy or Kind of Snowy like Blurry. Mini is ok if your not Planing on Making them into DVDs I tried and they Look Terrible. I get Some that Tell Me to Reduce the Size of my Bleach Dubs Which are in .avi and at 349MB's I tell them No. Just Because I get a Better Video if I keep using 2000 Bit Rate. and Refuse to Use H264 Because I hate Waiting Forever Just to Encode a Single Episode. I might use H264 Down the Road on Other Stuff But not on TV Rip's It is Pointless to Do IMO. I am into Quality Only Kind of Person lol You ain't the only one bro, I got a friend who doesn't care about the quality but the quantity. Nearly all his anime is in mini's, just the other day I showed him the version of Black Lagoon I had and he was awed with visual awesomeness compared to his 40mb episodes with my 400+- ones but still he ain't the only one. Recently another friend of mine asked me to get for him Fairy Tail I did it in the highest quality possible, it took me sometime to finish but when I did he said he wanted mini 720p I just face-desked myself but hey what you gonna do some people just aren't quality pimps like me and you. .
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yea I Have the Space for the Big Sized Video's and Even if I didn't Have the Space I'd Still Go For the Big Sized Video's lol. I made a Mini Encode once By Mistake and it was Fuzzy ish and When I looked at it it was like 100 MB's or Under and the Ratio was at 320x240 I think I was Shooting For a 720x480 Which is DVD Ratio lol it was a Anime Called Maburaho Which was Encoded Originally By Lime I encoded it in MPEG2 Format at the Time to lol.
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ragnawind wrote: HD refers ONLY to the RESOLUTION, not the actual quality, so I am fine with them being called "miniHD". True. HD = resolution/display/frame size in pixels Quality = bit rate, frame rate, sampling rate, etc. So in all technical aspects, it is proper to call them "miniHD". Minis are perfect for "taste-testing" anime. If it's really good and I like it, off to bluray glory I go! If not, then I'm happy archiving the minis just so I can still maintain a copy of the series. Koby wrote: Except your wrong about the part where you say the mini-downloaders only think the quality is good for the size. I've seen countless people claim they cannot tell a difference between the mini's and the normal.. or even say the mini's where even higher quality. This is false and they need to get their eyes checked. There may be a few who compare it by size to quality but the fast majority don't. The vast majority actually believe there is absolutely no quality loss. True as well, seen the stupid nubs myself. But for people who know better and full encoders who most definitely know A LOT better, then we shouldn't hate the minis because WE know what they're for. That's why I get surprised when seasoned full encoders diss the minis, because they should know what they are. But in defense of the full encoders, I understand where they're coming from because of how unbelievably ANNOYING the stupid nubs could be, the hate became misdirected to the format. It's just like Twilight and Justin Bieber. Few actually hate Twilight for being Twilight or Justin Bieber for being Justin Bieber. It's their EVIL HORDES OF SQUEAKING TWEEN FANS that majority of people hate. But since it's easier to hate a single, identifiable brand or individual, the hate gets directed towards them. REMEMBER, hate the stupid people, not the format. Because minis do well in their own intended purpose and right.
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I am not Really a Fan of Mini Encodes and I don't Hate them my Self I just Hate When People Who Know Very Little about the Format Try's to Do them. I think Those Type of People Should Learn How to Make them First lol. I personally Like Full Size Encodes Because I have Enough Space for Them. I Tried a Mini-Encode of one of My .avi's of Bleach I Encoded my Self it was Originally Like 349MB's Total And after I encoded it The First Time I got 44.5 MB's & the Second Time I got 175MB's. And Both the 44.5 MB & the 175MB looked the Same IMO.
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Mini encodes can burn in hell.
And there is no such thing as "miniHD"
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Bleach and Naruto would most probably be the ones I'd gladly get in minis.
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kathy025 wrote: Bleach and Naruto would most probably be the ones I'd gladly get in minis. Neither of those are animated in HD either. Both are animated at 480p and thus anything higher is an upscale. Both are also really long series. The main complaints have been addressed. Encoders hate the fact that idiot downloaders are too dumb to tell the difference. Full encoders hate the fact that miniHD-encoders are too dumb to realize they're doing it wrong. If you're going to starve the bit-rate you should reduce the resolution as well so the lack of bit-rate will have less of an impact on the video quality. 'MiniHD' is totally retarded, but regular SD mini-encodes do have a reason for existing.
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